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Here I use ChatGPT to have an imaginary conversation between Sapolsky and Sandel:

Let's imagine a conversation between Michael J. Sandel, renowned for his teachings on justice, ethics, and political philosophy at Harvard University, and Robert M. Sapolsky, a Stanford University professor and author of "Determined," a book arguing against the concept of free will. Their discussion might explore the intersections and divergences in their thoughts on moral responsibility and free will.

Sandel: Robert, your work on the biological determinants of behavior presents a compelling case against the traditional concept of free will. In my "Justice" course, we often discuss the philosophical underpinnings of morality and responsibility. How do you reconcile the absence of free will with moral accountability?

Sapolsky: Michael, I appreciate the nuance of the moral frameworks you explore. My position, as articulated in "Determined," is that our actions are the product of genetics, environment, and brain chemistry. This doesn't absolve us of responsibility but requires us to rethink it. If our decisions are predetermined by such factors, then societal structures, including justice systems, must reflect this understanding.

Sandel: That's fascinating. I argue that a just society must consider the moral and civic virtues of its citizens. Even if we accept that our choices are influenced by external factors, doesn't the capacity for reflection and reasoning play a role in shaping our ethical decisions?

Sapolsky: Absolutely, Michael. However, my argument is that the capacity for reflection is itself influenced by biological and environmental conditions. It doesn't negate the importance of ethical deliberation but suggests that free will might not be as free as we think. Our understanding of morality should incorporate these biological insights without diminishing the value of ethical debate.

Sandel: I see your point, Robert. This raises an interesting question about justice and punishment. If individuals are less responsible for their actions in the traditional sense, how should our legal system adapt?

Sapolsky: It's crucial that we shift towards a rehabilitative rather than punitive system. Understanding the determinants of behavior can help us tailor interventions that address the root causes of antisocial behavior, rather than simply punishing individuals for actions they may have limited control over.

Sandel: Your insights challenge us to reconsider the foundations of justice and ethics. While we may not agree on all points, the dialogue between biology and philosophy enriches our understanding of human behavior and moral responsibility.

Sapolsky: Indeed, Michael. It's conversations like these that push us to explore the complex interplay between biology, environment, and morality. By acknowledging the limits of our freedom, we can better appreciate the factors that shape our behavior and strive for a more compassionate and understanding society.

This imagined dialogue showcases the rich, albeit complex, interplay between philosophical concepts of morality and the biological determinants of behavior, highlighting both agreements and disagreements between two intellectual giants from Harvard and Stanford.

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New thoughts (4/8/24):

My journaling, current reading and reflection have made me want to follow up on this piece. I want to share my updated thinking regarding one aspect of what I wrote:

"Now, people might get triggered by the implications of this perspective. 'So you're saying no one is responsible for their actions?' Kind of - yes. At least that's the conclusion Sapolsky shared in Determined, and I agree with (i.e., Do you blame someone for having a mental illness? Sapolsky argues that the same biological past that leads to someone having a mental illness is the same biological 'stuff' that dictates our decisions, which we perceive we have agency over but don't)."

I already said "kind of" in my statement, but I don't think I captured the nuance of how on the edge I feel about this in my piece. And I have been currently navigating these new question that have popped up as a result of this turmoil in my mind: Is what I wrote saying that I believe there is no distinction between what is right or wrong? How have we defined right or wrong in the past and now? And how does that affect how we move and act in the world? I don't think Sapolsky is saying that you can just have people hurting other people without consequence, but I still struggle with does that mean we can't hold anyone morally responsible?

I'm currently exploring Michael Sandel's justice lectures (https://scholar.harvard.edu/sandel/justice) and I hope to have more thoughts on this later.

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